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095 – Marathons, New Careers, and Productivity Secrets with Alexis & Maria

Ryan Freng

October 3, 2024

 

Ever wondered how to balance marathon training with a full-time job, or what it takes to transition from college life to a professional career seamlessly? This episode promises you a rollercoaster of insights and personal stories as we introduce our new full-time staff members, Alexis and Maria. Alexis takes us through her journey from college graduation to becoming our editor and producer, while Maria shares her rich five-year history with us and her ongoing studies in communications and recording arts. We even plunge into the fascinating realm of collegiate band sponsorships, Maria’s marathon training, and the crucial role of community support, proper footwear, and nutrition.

Balancing work, fitness, and nutrition post-college can feel like walking a tightrope, but we’ve got some pro-tips to share. Drawing from our own experiences of running during high school and college, we discuss how to adapt to new routines after graduation. From meal prepping and avoiding processed foods—thanks to advice from a dietitian mother—to significant life changes such as wedding planning and moving in with a partner, we emphasize the need for communication and intentionality in relationships. These transitions can be smooth if you’re prepared, and we’ve got all the tips you need.

Maria’s journey into her junior year of college offers insightful lessons on time management and productivity. From hustling multiple side gigs over the summer to mastering productivity methodologies such as time blocking, Maria reveals how she juggles it all. We also explore the benefits of books such as the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) for setting goals and boosting productivity. Wrapping up, we share personal anecdotes on continuous skill growth and leadership versatility, including Alexis’ unexpected rise to the presidency of Badger Catholic. Tune in for a jam-packed episode full of practical advice and inspiring stories!

Topics in This Episode

  • (00:00:58) College Band Members & NIL Sponsorship
  • (00:01:53) Introductions
  • (00:03:03) Marathon Training
  • (00:05:55) Health and Fitness Post-College Transition
  • (00:09:18) Intentional Quality Time
  • (00:10:15) Transitioning to Working Life and Productivity
  • (00:12:22) Time Blocking and Efficiency
  • (00:19:43) Drinking From the Fire Hose
  • (00:22:23) Badger Catholic Leadership Roles
  • (00:23:43) Meeting Catholic Celebrities
  • (00:27:50) What are We Drinking?
  • (00:30:45) Fangirling Over Jonathon Roumie
  • (00:35:36) Why Study Journalism?
  • (00:42:45) The Value of College
  • (00:47:17) Learning Languages
  • (00:52:00) Excitement For The Future
  • (00:54:48) Favorite Podcasts
  • (00:57:22) Marco Polo
  • (01:00:58) Extroverted vs. Introverted
  • (01:05:37) Two Truths and a Lie

 

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Transcript

Ryan Freng: 

let’s backflip happy hour show. Let’s backflip show happy hour. Dude. I am so discombobulated right now because, as things go, technology was just being really great, so hopefully we have audio. Just, uh, maybe text luke or something. Uh, if we’t have audio, if things are weird because we didn’t have to go audio into the camera and there’s some other weird things going on and I don’t even think I’m like real time. But we’ll have fun, it’ll be great. So, thank you guys, so much for your patience. Thank you guys for your patience. But today I’ve got Alexis and Maria with me here today. What do we call it? New full-time? New full-time staff. Welcome, guys. Thanks.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Excited to be here.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, I kind of cut our conversation short. Earlier we were talking about band members being sponsored, because collegiate athletes can now be sponsored in um sports, so college sports athletes can be sponsored, but now apparently the band can too, which is nuts, and you know, your brother knows somebody who was sponsored by quick trip or something yeah, I don’t know if it’s like, I don’t want to say the wrong thing but I don’t know if it’s like because he’s a uw band member, he can get sponsored, or he’s just a random student who tried to get sponsored, but either way he’s just a brand that he loves, yeah he’s in the band, he’s sponsored by quick trip, he’s getting money dude, that’s awesome

Ryan Freng: 

so I mean I love that so much. Does he? Do you know like how to sponsor, like if he’s like wearing quick trip all the time, like outside of band things?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I think it’s a lot of stuff on his social media that he’s doing. He might be in some commercials and things I don’t really know how it works.

Ryan Freng: 

Dude, that’s that’s kind of cool Cause the whole influencer culture thing.

Ryan Freng: 

So all right, before we continue on this nonsense path, I’ll have you guys introduce yourself. So since you started. Why don’t you tell me a little bit more about yourself? You’ve been on the show before, but I haven’t. There we go.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I’m Alexis, as you know. I just started full-time as an editor, slash, producer slash, doing all sorts of random fun things.

Ryan Freng: 

Welcome to a fun business.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, and I graduated college recently, so I got my degree in journalism and a certificate in cinema production. So that is great. And here we are, so college graduate, starting full-time right away yeah, and what I want to do, so it’s really fun sweet.

Ryan Freng: 

We’re gonna get into some of that.

Ryan Freng: 

I have a lot of questions, but first we’re gonna also introduce our other guest over here, maria

Maria Pfeil: 

yes, so apparently I’ve been working here for five years already, but I’m excited to be on the show today. Um, I just finished up my sophomore year at UW-Eau Claire and I’m studying communications and recording arts there. I really like it.

Maria Pfeil: 

Um, I have a house there with a few other roommates and yeah, um, right now I’m training for a marathon, which is a bit of a fun fact. Are you really next week in duluth, shut up? Oh yeah, I’ve been training hardcore for that.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

How many? What miles did you run today?

Maria Pfeil: 

Today I didn’t run any, but, um, last weekend I did a 20, which will be my most,

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

wow you got that high last yeah before.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, wow, because I’m nervous because this is gonna be my first one so I know my family trained and did a marathon a while ago and I can’t remember how much. They got up to 16, 18, but then at some point they’re like after that you just keep going like you know. It’s not not a lot of difference, but yeah yeah, the adrenaline carries you through.

Maria Pfeil: 

Yeah, so hopefully I’ll only need to rely on that for the last six miles oh god, that’s exciting.

Ryan Freng: 

Wow, like I don’t. I hate running, but I’ve always thought, hey, it might be cool to do a marathon, just because it’s such a cool challenge. It’s such a, you know, pushing your body to a certain limit. Um, you know what? What got you, uh, excited about that?

Maria Pfeil: 

I didn’t like start like running.

Maria Pfeil: 

until last semester I took a distance running class and it was a really cool um like community because it was with community members and students. And it was like an evening like community because it was with community members and students. And it was like an evening like once a week thing. And then we did like running together on Saturday morning. So that was like really good to just like get me out there, because otherwise I don’t think I would have had the motivation. But then once you like actually got like racking up the miles like I think think once I did my first 10 mile run I was like, oh, this is actually kind of fun and kind of zone out and you don’t have to worry about the running as much and you’re just thinking about other things.

Ryan Freng: 

Do they teach you how to run? Cause I feel like I’ve never run correctly and so like my knees and my ankles and my hips like always hurt.

Maria Pfeil: 

They don’t teach. They didn’t teach us like as much about the form as they did, about like the correct footwear and how to fuel your body and like how much you’re supposed to be drinking and kind of nutrition things, instead of like form, which was really interesting.

Ryan Freng: 

So yeah, I’m going to die.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I did track and cross country all through high school so I was a big runner, and then I continued that in a freshman year of college and then slowly, I just like, fell off of it.

Ryan Freng: 

But uh like in UW you were in uh cross country.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I just like continued running on my own, like for fun with friends and things. And then St Paul’s did a run club so I would run with that kind of crowd because I didn’t want to join like the track club, because they’re kind of hardcore at uw.

Ryan Freng: 

So I just did my own thing well, actually this is a fun topic that I like to talk about and this is just kind of how it goes. You just kind of flow around, um, like health and fitness, especially like after college or, you know, during the summers, because, like when you’re in college, you have maybe your schedule is even more crazy and so you’re all over the place. There’s a lot of things going on, food and eating is all over the place and weird, but you can also be intense about certain things, so maybe you do better with your fitness and nutrition. But now you know, how far are we in a month? Maybe a month in like to a nine to five, like what has changed?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

a lot what have you noticed, I think for me it’s.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It’s crazy because I feel like college was like, especially junior senior year.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It was so busy all the time and I was just I kind of made myself busy like I did so much um, that I just I feel like I was kind of running on adrenaline like the whole time, like just this, like fly to fight all the time, just because I had to get through all the things I was doing, um, in order to stay on track with all the schoolwork and homework and work in general and extracurriculars and things like that.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So I definitely I wasn’t working out or like doing a ton of physical activity during that time which I definitely could tell was affecting just my overall health, because I love like running and doing all of that stuff, um, but then, yeah, and then. So I think we talked about this last time. I always bring this up, but my mom is a dietitian, so, yeah, so she I feel like growing up she trained me really well to just like eat well, um, and so that never really faltered, because I just don’t like processed foods, I just don’t feel good you know so I try to you haven’t forced yourself to get beyond.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, like I was still I would prioritize my meal prep and I would still make good meals and I wasn’t like the college ramen kid who just like or ate out of the time, because I think you talked about that, yeah in the back, about you. You know what do you eat, like some chicken, some rice and some veggies or something like that pretty usual yeah, yeah, good stuff, lots of kale and veggies and all that all the funky greens we have now.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, yeah, I love it um, yeah, so eating was always good. But it was interesting because when I graduated and now we’re in this, like better rhythm, um, things are slowing down a lot more. Like I still have all the wedding planning to do and things like that, um, but besides that, I don’t have homework or anything else crazy going on, so it’s just like and then you know so. So, yeah, definitely an adjustment. So it’ll be interesting to continue figuring that out, because I don’t quite know what the rhythm looks like.

Ryan Freng: 

But yeah, it’s in. You’re engaged and to be married in a month yeah, and so, like all that changes everything too. So right now you probably see Patrick some, but then you get married. You’ve been together. That’s going to change things, and trying to figure out that with them.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah that’ll be fun I know lots of changes going on in the next or already happened and then more to come. So it’s like do I establish a solid routine now, when it’s just going to change in a?

Ryan Freng: 

couple weeks. You know, maybe the thing to talk about with patrick too. You know, yeah, that’s a weird thing like expectation, and it changes throughout the seasons. But I feel like we’re in a spot where you know our expectation is like, okay, when we’re done, we’re just going to hang out. So then we have to communicate, like this is me and Monica. We have to communicate like hey, I’m just going to do something else tonight, like I’m going to do something my own, because our default is we’re just hanging out together but it’s not always intentional.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah right.

Ryan Freng: 

So we want to think about how can it be more intentional and then have intentional time apart.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So something about yeah, yeah, there’s a balance for sure, and like finding that time for friends and family as well and community, and like hanging out with other couples too, is something very important yeah, finding those couples you can hang out with that can put up with your craziness yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, that’s cool.

Ryan Freng: 

Um, so kind of similar over here with you, maria. Um, are you you’re going into?

Ryan Freng: 

your junior year. Yeah right, so you’ve had two years of college so this is your second summer home.

Ryan Freng: 

What, uh, what’s that been like? And now you know being like a working stiff here, nine to five, uh, all week. What’s that transition?

Maria Pfeil: 

yeah um, it’s definitely been different. I’ve never had you know the type of Well. I’ve never had like one job at a time. I’m always the type of person who has like probably three to four side hustles. Like last summer was kind of insane. I was doing Cutco, so I was like a sales person. It was a really awesome experience. See, I was doing some DJing with my old teachers.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, I was doing this, such a sweet young woman and you’re like I was selling cut cone knives, I was DJing, like it’s kind of like secret bad-ass yeah.

Maria Pfeil: 

I just wanted to try out like as many new things as I could, just to see what I actually want to hone in on.

Maria Pfeil: 

Yeah, I like a lot of things I like a lot new things as I could, just to see what I actually want to hone in on. Yeah, I like a lot of things. I like a lot of things media so I feel like this job allows me to do a lot of that stuff. But over the school year I have an internship with the athletic department where I’m doing like social media and like podcasts. They have a podcast too, so I do that during the school year, so it’s really nice to like hop into some similar things here. But it’s like I feel like I have a lot more free time. Like probably the most free time I’ve ever had in the summer is this summer Just sticking to one job and, you know, just the day job.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, just the day job.

Maria Pfeil: 

And I get to schedule out my time. I’m really big into time blocking and stuff, so then I can plan these are the days I’m going to run, these are the days I’m going to go to adoration or go to church or whatever. These are the days I’m going to hang out with my friends, and this summer has been super nice for just having a lot of time to do all those things.

Ryan Freng: 

With the time blocking. Do you have like any favorite books? Let’s see, can you grab that orange one right there?

Ryan Freng: 

They’re like all orange but yeah, that’s the one.

Ryan Freng: 

I mean this is a good one. I feel like I’ve read half of Getting Things Done by David Allen, Deep Work with Cal Newport and then all the traction ones. I even have multiples of this one, so I’m fascinated by productivity and those types of things. So when you say time blocking like, is there a methodology that you’ve learned or used or is it just how you have decided or kind of developed yourself?

Maria Pfeil: 

yeah, honestly, I probably learned it last summer with my sales job, um, because it was a lot of making your own schedule, like you were setting up up times to like make calls, setting up different appointments with clients. So you had to be like really like organized and saying this is when I’m free, this is when I have time to make an appointment and this is when I’m going to call. Otherwise, it just wasn’t going to get done. So I just like started blocking off my calendar. I use just like the app on my calendar. I use just like the app on my phone not Google calendar, but just like the Apple one and just like you know, kind of setting things in my personal calendar is how I do it.

Ryan Freng: 

I don’t really have a book or anything that I went off of. You’re not a disciple of David Allen over here. I mean to be fair. I haven’t read some of these books, so they’re like my pending to read books, but we’ll get you guys into these books. We’ll get you into this.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, what the heck is EOS? Oh?

Ryan Freng: 

And traction. These are fun ones. So it’s kind of like goal setting and productivity and it’s stuff that I wish I would have learned when I was younger, but I did not. Like I don’t know what your guys’s experience with schools are. You’re obviously very intelligent and very tenacious. You know, do great work.

Ryan Freng: 

Um, creative problem solvers like that’s what we love here, that’s what works well and I feel like thrives in creative industry, especially in a small company where kind of be gonna be like hey, how do you feel about doing this thing which is kind of in your wheelhouse and you might not have thought of? Um, so everyone has to be a little bit entrepreneurial. But for me growing up and I think it was similar for john uh, just getting my intellect alone and studying just the night before for a test and getting straight A’s and things like that Turns out it’s not great for working in the real world, and so that’s why I have like all these books and have tried to really develop and learn these habits. But hopefully, you know, even however long you guys are here with us at Backflip, even however long you guys are here with us at Backflip some of these tools and tricks and methodologies can just be, I don’t know, encouraged or impressed on you guys. Maybe we’ll buy you some books. You can take them away when you leave, yeah.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I’m curious. I’m assuming you’ll never leave. I’m curious, what, actually? What does EOS stand for? Sure, yeah, I mean, I’m happy to’ll never leave.

Maria Pfeil: 

I’m curious what actually? What does EOS stand for?

Maria Pfeil: 

Sure, yeah, I mean I’m happy to go into something like that Because last week it was what is SEO, and now this week it’s EOS, and they’re all kind of the same letters.

Ryan Freng: 

So you’ll find that anyone will sell you their methodology and their programming and there’s a hundred different ways to skin the cat of like productivity and how to be successful and things like that. This is actually recommended traction from our friends at the Evangelical Catholic. So Jason, simon and Andrew Ochilek actually, I’ve talked several times Andrew Ochilek about this and he kind of pitched it in a way that made it very clear like that our leadership team could really benefit from it, just in the way that the three of us think differently and the way that we work differently and how to lean into those strengths. And we implemented it. We started implementing it about a month ago and even with the meetings, we’ve already really gotten much more efficient, much more goal oriented, rock oriented and kind of direction full of the opposite, of directionless. But the question of what is EOS? Eos is entrepreneurial operating system. It’s just like the framework to be entrepreneurial, to creatively problem solve, to keep your eyes on whatever your goals are, to goal set and to operate through that. So I’ve got all these tabs like here’s the accountability chart, here’s accountability rules. Uh, gwc, get it, want it and have capacity. That was something that we didn’t realize, um, when asking somebody, like, sometimes people drop the ball and you’re like, well, what the heck? Like this is your job. You don’t drop the ball. But if somebody doesn’t have, doesn’t understand what the ask is, get it. If they don’t want to do it, or if they don’t have capacity, any one of those fails, then they’ll likely fail at the task. So, making sure that anybody who’s taking anything on has those, um, important questions.

Ryan Freng: 

And then rocks, which is the metaphor of a glass. Right, so you have a glass, and that’s how much capacity you have, and you have to fill that up with a bunch of stuff. If you just put water in first, like, um, the smallest, shortest, low hanging fruit kind of tasks, that’s going to fill it up. And then if you try to put anything else in there, like pebbles or rocks, you’re not going to be able to put anything more important in there. Right, it’s going to overflow. It’s more capacity than you can handle.

Ryan Freng: 

If you start with the rocks and this is a common metaphor you start with the rocks. Put the big rocks in. They fit Great. Now what can you put in next? You can put in the pebbles and they’ll fit amongst the rocks. And then what can you do? You can do the sand and then you can put the water in, so then all those elements fit and it’s descending level of importance in terms of the work that you’re working on. So we each have certain rocks that we’re working on and we try to come back to those every day, and those are the things that can really move the company forward. And then there’s other small things, um, that maybe are those pebbles or those sand or those daily things that come up, and then you do those after you’ve done your rocks. So, just a framework. That’s super cool and I’m stoked about it, even though it is pretty nerdy and, uh, I think it’ll be fun.

Maria Pfeil: 

But, um, I think it rocks.

Ryan Freng: 

I like it.

Maria Pfeil: 

You got all the puns today hone in your schedule and you think it rocks once you’re put on social media for a certain amount of time, you just get them going.

Ryan Freng: 

It’s all puns yeah, I feel like maybe I’ll come up with some jokes and make you guys put some water in your mouth and see if I can yeah?

Ryan Freng: 

maybe not in here, though maybe we go outside, like we did for the social media. I feel like this is like kind of our um dream team for kind of the social media stuff that we’re working on. Um. For those who don’t know, uh, alexis and maria are really helping um, supplement, augment, develop, create a lot of the work we do on social media and um. We’ve kind of had different iterations on how we’ve done that, but getting you guys involved in your tenacity and your creative problem solving has been fantastic. So, like what, we joke about drinking from water hose, cause that’s what a lot of it is. It’s like here’s all this stuff. Okay, go, good luck. You know, like, let me know if you have questions, I’m here to help. What has that been like? Cause I, you know, I we’re a month in. I think you guys are doing fantastic, but I was concerned. I was like this is a lot, like this is a lot to ask of them, but they seem to be handling it Like what was that? What was that like?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Oh, I think for me, I think it was kind of unexpected because I feel like I came in being like I’ll probably just do editing you, you know, because at the time when I joined a year ago, there’s like a huge need for the editing yeah um, so I just kind of hopped into that right away.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Um, that helped with some like producing PA stuff along the way. But, um, I think I was like I’ll probably just keep going because it seems like we’re still kind of got a lot of editing stuff going on, so I’ll probably continue that, um, and I do really enjoy it, so, um, so I didn’t have a problem with that. But then it was like, yeah, the first couple meetings we were having I was like, oh, I think I think I’m gonna be doing a lot more than I thought. So, um, yeah, so it’s been an adjustment like figuring out, okay, like I’m not just like coming to the office every day and spending those eight, nine hours editing. It’s been an adjustment like figuring out, okay, like I’m not just like coming to the office every day and spending those eight, nine hours editing.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It’s like I need to chunk out that like the block timing and I like block out my day of like I’m going to start with answering emails, emailing people for the podcast, things like that, and then I’ll move into editing and then whatever is priority. Sometimes social media is more of the priority in that day. So it’s like, okay, what, um, what things do we need to do for this post today or coming up, that’s a bigger post. You know just things like that. Um, and then on the side, like still doing things to grow my skillset. So like I also have been trying to chunk in time to like do those courses and learn more about seo and do research on, like, different managing systems, organization systems. The other day I was learning about using adobe animation or adobe animate, to learn how to animate things. Um, for a video we’re working on um it’s a secret, I’m excited um, so I’m really excited about that.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Um, it’s all very fascinating. So it’s like a lot of different things, yeah, but, um, I feel like I’m kind of used to that. I feel like I’m kind of used to being like thrown into something and just like, here you go figure it out. Um, like, throughout college, that was pretty much like everything I did.

Ryan Freng: 

Well, you, what? Were you? The president, or whatever, of Badger Catholic?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, very spontaneously. It was just like last summer. They’re like we need a president, you’re it, you’re doing it and I was like okay.

Ryan Freng: 

A little voluntold.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, kind of yeah, and I was a vice president at the time so I kind of knew, but I was also kind of thrown in that role.

Ryan Freng: 

I mean, that’s kind of the typical like okay or in a lot of organizations, like okay, you’re going to be the treasurer, okay, or secretary, now you’re going to be the vice president.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Now you’re going to be the president Now.

Ryan Freng: 

you’re the past president. Yeah.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, I started as a speaker coordinator, which lived because it was just like reaching out to these big speakers, doing a lot of coordinating, a lot of planning, um, being up there introducing the speakers, hosting them for the day, picking them up at the airport, like all of that stuff.

Ryan Freng: 

super fun I have a great idea. Do you know who’s doing that right now for st paul’s? I do, yeah, we should coordinate and be like hey, when they come out, we get to interview them as well. We’ll pay for something or something like that, because St Paul probably pays for them to come out, right.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, it’s cool because a lot of the people that they’re going to be reaching out to this year is people that I’ve been already communicating with, because you have to reach out to these people so far in advance if you want them to come You’ve been developing the relationship. It’s opened up a ton of opportunities for me just in the Catholic world and made all these really cool connections with really awesome people who now know me on a first name basis, which is great.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

All these super big speakers who I’m such a nerd about and they’re just like yeah, I was gonna say like Sarah.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Swofford, jackie Angel, bobby Angel. Um all Ascension Presents people. Um, I met Father Mike Schmitz, which was great Um and I was the speaker coordinator at the time. He came to UW spontaneously so was like the person who um met him first and was able to talk to him some a little bit about the ministry and um, that’s cool. A couple other like younger catholic speakers that are more up and coming that I brought in who probably don’t know, but I don’t know, like the religious hippie and Brendan McCauley and people like that.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So yeah, that’s great um a lot of people have been, a lot like almost all these people have been on Pines of Aquinas. So like Kim Zember I don’t know if you saw her who Kim Zember?

Ryan Freng: 

She’s great All these names. My wife’s probably like yep.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, I’m sure People are watching. Yeah, oh my gosh. Gosh, yeah, all the big names. Yeah, a lot of people aren’t going to be at the Eucharistic Congress, actually. Yeah, yeah, well, maybe we can Sister Miriam, father John Burns.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, there’s probably an angle there for you to share that we’re going to be out there and be like, hey friend, I work for this company and they’re out there.

Ryan Freng: 

You should meet up with them.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I won’t be there, but yeah yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe

Ryan Freng: 

we got a strong man. The idea and steel man the idea, um yeah, because we’re going out there and that’ll be.

Ryan Freng: 

That’ll be really fun yeah um, yeah, yeah, father mike schmitz. Uh, carolyn has his contact info because I think she brought him out one time. And then one night we were wine night hanging out and uh, talking, we were all listening. This is probably a year or two ago and, um, the bible of the year was super popular and for some reason we were talking about the speed that father mike schmitz talks at, that comes up a lot.

Ryan Freng: 

I listened to it at like 1.25 or something like that, so I listened to it even a little bit faster. Wow and uh, we texted him some joke about that and he texted back, which is fine, though oh my gosh, I’m connected with celebrity yeah then we I think we tried to reach out for something else. Didn’t work. It’s like check out, connect with my publicist, or whatever it is.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, you get that a lot. But it’s cool when they don’t go through like an assistant and so they give you their number. Yeah, like emily wilson was just like emailing back like she didn’t have an assistant so that’s like here’s my number if you need anything, and we’re like whoa same with sarah swafford, and you know people like that when you’re picking them up at the airport. They want to coordinate with you, so they’re just like here’s my number oh right, right and you’re like okay, yeah, isn’t that weird?

Ryan Freng: 

yeah, you’re kind of like wouldn’t you be a little bit more protective of that?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

some are like emily wilson was like as soon as this is over, delete the number you know.

Ryan Freng: 

And I was like wow, you know, I would probably just have a burner, you know just like a little uh, flip phone or something, I mean she didn’t say you couldn’t memorize it, so I rewrote it down somewhere else.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, yeah, but it was super cool. I brought her in, uh, like a year ago or whatever, and then I met her again at seek and she remembered my name and I was like this is crazy oh, that’s fun, yeah she’s like I know you and I was like, yeah, you do, but I didn’t think you’d remember me, so that’s yeah, yeah, so lots of fun things like that I think he’s saying get out of my camera oh don’t lean in there.

Ryan Freng: 

Um, I forgot too. This is a happy hour. Um, there’s probably not a way I can get another one of these what are we drinking? Um yeah, what are you guys drinking? I’m drinking tropical punch energy from zoa duane, the rock johnson you should get sponsored.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I know right, drinking water. Yeah, because I forgot to grab a drink. Cheers, cheers cheers. Yes, this is just like normal we’re repping the um the trending bottles of our time period stanley and the O’Walla.

Ryan Freng: 

O’Walla and.

Maria Pfeil: 

I have Basic Sponsor me Stanley.

Ryan Freng: 

Blender bottle. I mean that’s got some popularity. This one’s seen some years. I don’t think you should keep these that long. Yeah that looks a little Like it starts to get discolored.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, when it’s no longer clear, it’s a little concerning.

Ryan Freng: 

I try to wash it, like every day.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It clear.

Ryan Freng: 

It’s a little concerning I try to wash it like every day. It’s kind of gross. I couldn’t really tell.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah who’s the most famous person you’ve met.

Maria Pfeil: 

That’s very on the spot yeah, that’s what we’re here for um there’s no right answers or no, I don’t know um who.

Maria Pfeil: 

Okay, I’m like so bad with celebrity names. That’s also another fun fact about me you’re just like. I’ve met so many yeah, they’re just too many of them I can’t even count um, who’s the dude who plays jesus in the chosen jonathan roomie? He was at the seek that we went to. I would say that’s I didn’t meet him

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

but okay, fun story. I was gonna share the story, but you just this perfect way.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Um, I was gonna say, probably the most famous person I’ve met is Jonathan Rumi, because but I didn’t meet him, but I was like this close because we were at Seek and not together, but we both were there at the same time.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Separately, but we were both there and he was like a surprise guest at the end. So jason ever gave it, gave a talk, and then they started like I don’t know, he was the guest on the trivia. They did this trivia thing and they were like we’re gonna bring out a celebrity death guest to do the trivia. And then they started like playing the chosen music and then everyone was freaking out and they walked out on stage and it was great. Um, that was my favorite moment. Yeah, it was so good the catholic rock star.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Everyone was dying yeah, it was great, um, and we had gotten there super early, like the section I was with um, and so we were sitting like in the front and there was a row in front of us that was reserved and I was like right in the front and I was like this is great. So us that was reserved and I was like right in the front and I was like this is great. So I saw him, like he was like right there on the stage and then um, and then they spoke, promoted the chosen, did all that their trivia, and then next was jason everett’s talk, which was great talk. You should look it up.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It was great, um, and I was like I wonder what this front row seat says, like why can’t we move up? I want to be close, you know. And about 10 minutes in um to the talk, all these people started filing out to sit in the row. And who sits in front of me? But jonathan roomie, literally right in front of me, like this spot right in front of me, and I was like, oh my gosh.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

And to the point where I can steal some hair, I can smell him. No, like he, he smelled good, he smelled clean he smelled good, real good good, really good, cologne um I was that close to it that I could smell him and it was great and so so, um. So I feel like oh my gosh, it’s like the catholic conference.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I could have just, I could have just been, like you know, but I didn’t do that. But I could have, and it would have been great I could have introduced.

Ryan Freng: 

I’m sure that happened several times, or like I know it’s just like what, um?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

but yeah, that a really surreal experience.

Ryan Freng: 

Oh, that’s fun.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I didn’t meet him, but that just reminded me of him. You’re closer than me, I think I was like in the back. Yeah, yeah.

Ryan Freng: 

You didn’t take the moment to introduce yourself. Well, he was surrounded by.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

There was like a security guy who was with like two other women who were like his. I don’t know posse, I don’t know posse, I don’t know. And it was during the talk like I felt like I couldn’t just be like hey, but I was, definitely, I know. And then he left before the talk was over, probably because you didn’t want everyone, yeah. So I was, um, I should have just kidding and I love it like that word at the seek conference like catholic rock star and then potentially elsewhere in the world, just like a normal dude listening to his interviews is super interesting, like people coming up to him randomly, like confessing their souls to him you know, just, and he’s like.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

You know I’m not actually jesus, but I’ll pray for you, you know. So that’s going to be an interesting way.

Ryan Freng: 

He just starts talking in that accent. You know he does. He does the daily reflection on the hollow app.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, yeah.

Ryan Freng: 

With Jeff Cavins and he will do the gospel and anytime Jesus speaks he’ll do the voice.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, it’s so funny.

Ryan Freng: 

I know I love it Like kind of I guess what is it like kind of Arabic, I don’t know. They all kind of have like different accents, but that’s fine, it’s part of the charm. Yeah, part of the charm. Yeah, I’m chosen.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

But he just, he actually just made a documentary about it.

Ryan Freng: 

No, no, but his life is Jesus.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It’s like Jonathan and Jesus or something I think it’s called Um, but it’s just like all about how his life transformed from just being this like random American actor to now being like everyone’s vision of what Jesus looks like.

Ryan Freng: 

you know, Um, so I haven’t watched it yet, but I feel like it would be really interesting and his story is kind of interesting. I’m going to butcher it, but I feel like there was something with him essentially praying like, hey, god, if you want me to do this, you know, give me a role or something, and I think he might have been playing Jesus in some other things. Yeah, got this Jesus role and obviously he’s fantastic in that. Yeah, so kind of uh, an instance perhaps of a prayer being answered in a very real way, yeah, which is cool, it’s really cool.

Maria Pfeil: 

Yeah, that’s crazy. God was just really like my role for you is to play jesus yeah yeah, that’s interesting.

Ryan Freng: 

You’d make a good me autobiographical yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s crazy yeah, yeah, let’s see. So we did the movie power my hand. So, uh, I did meet jeff cavins at the premiere, um, and then who else? Like doug berry? Uh, who’s the the quarterback? Um, now, now I’m losing all the names. What’s his name? Quarterback, guy in the chair, help me, he has like eight kids.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

He’s Catholic. All I know is the kicker guy. What the kicker guy?

Ryan Freng: 

The kicker. We’re really doing sports well. I’m also not remembering his name, but the one who did the speech and everyone’s going crazy about it.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I don’t know who that is, but the one who did the speech and everyone’s going crazy about it.

Ryan Freng: 

I don’t know what that is. We’re looking at Power of my Hands over here, Is it not there? Who are the people? Philip Rivers? Oh my gosh. Father Donald Calloway he was in it too, father Donald Calloway. Yeah.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Wait, that’s great.

Ryan Freng: 

The Surfer Priest Dude. His story was pretty crazy. My camera died.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Oh no, that’s all right. I’ll just lean over here. Need a new battery.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, I’ll just have to ask a really good question for Alexis. All right, you’re in the hot seat. Okay, so you have a journalism and a communications degree. Yes, what, like what are you going to do with the journalism degree? Like what Nothing?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I’m just kidding.

Ryan Freng: 

Or like how does it play into what you do?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, Want to do Um. It definitely taught me a ton about communication, obviously, Um, and within the, at least at Madison, the journalism program, it it’s a lot, obviously a lot, of writing. You’re learning how to do all of the different things that you would do as a journalist, obviously, so like learning how to interview, learning how to um write in the AP style, which there’s ap ap style like uh, if anyone is a journalist out there

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

yeah they know what that means the associated press style yes, it’s like this whole book that just has all these grammar rules and we would get tested on it where it’s like it gives you what’s an example oh, just like where different abbreviations of states and cities, like those, are different. Are there really different?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

abbreviation of states it’s like um, it’s like if it’s a state, so okay, if you’re referencing a place, you could reference the state like if it’s a, a town, like small town wisconsin. Typically when you’re writing like an article, you’re not going to start out in the first like hook intro by saying exactly where that is if it’s not relevant. So you’re not going to be like little shoot wisconsin. Usually you’re just going to do like a small town in wisconsin or if it’s like, if you want to know proximity, you’ll be like a small town in wisconsin. Or if it’s like if you want to know proximity, you’ll be like a small town in Wisconsin near Appleton something like that Like um, but if it’s a well-known city, then you’ll say Madison, Wisconsin, because everyone knows what it is.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Um or like. If it’s like there’s so many, it’s just it’s hard to explain. Or like if people know, is it super useful, it’s well, it’s not even like a tool, it’s just a way of doing things. Like every journalist has to write this way.

Ryan Freng: 

It’s like their way of writing sure, it’s probably just the standardization, so it can be shared around.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, the framework’s gonna be the same, but it’s really weird if you just like grow up writing english papers and things like that, like it’s a different style of writing, um, just like different abbreviations, different ways to like, I can’t imagine what it’s like writing for, like a political newspaper or something like that, because it’s like all the different abbreviations for different positions, there’s like a whole list of them like governor obviously is like gov, but there’s just like you have to do all the different things.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

That’s nice, because otherwise you could make it up and yeah, yeah, so it makes sense why there’s like a formula for everything, but it’s like where do the hyphens go, when do you use a certain kind of punctuation and when is certain things cap, when are certain things capitalized and when are certain things not, and like different titles are capitalized but other titles aren’t, and like yeah, like years, times, places like so do you think you’ll be reporting in that way in?

Ryan Freng: 

your career ever I.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

That was like the one thing I hated. I was like I hate these ap style quizzes, like they’re just so like everyone. There’s not a lot of people who liked them in my classes, being honest. Um many people becoming reporters yeah, I think a lot of people are going more into the marketing world nowadays. I don’t think there’s going to be a lot of um, like newspaper writers, and if they are going to go into writing, it’s probably going to be like blog writing. Yeah, um, or like an online. Well, it seems like.

Ryan Freng: 

It seems like it’s changed so to be like blog writing or like an online? Well, it seems like it seems like it’s changed so much in the last 20 years, I guess, of the internet and social media, so you don’t just have journalists and then book writers and scientific writers, it’s all kind of a spectrum, yeah, and a lot of the news is really opinion blogs and things like that. So, yeah, that very specific skill, are there any like blog writing for marketing types of classes or anything?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

maybe not at uw um because uw is more of a traditional school yeah, if you go into strategic communication, so there’s like the broadcast journalism major and then the strategic communication one and that was more marketing, business focused. Um, I did broadcasting, so there’s a lot more like learning how to write AP style, learning how to write press releases. Like going out doing interviews, um, there’s like a video journalism class where you’re actually like going out with the camera interviewing, getting it on film. There’s like a podcasting one where you’re learning how to do more like narrative form podcasts, so kind of like npr style, getting interviews telling a story and like how do you structure it with like natural sound and all of that um plus narration.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So there’s like that’s useful yeah, like those, those ones I feel like were more useful for me because I can see myself actually doing that and like there’s like a documentary um class, there’s like documentary style writing or something like that. Um, that was also helpful just because that helps with my like film world, um. But all of the other more beginner journalism classes were not that help like. I don’t think I’ll use a ton. I I learned a ton about just growing in my writing skills and being like the importance of being very concise when you’re writing and not just getting rid of the fluff because it’s going to get edited out anyway.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Um, but I think that the coolest journalism class I took was, um, the magazine publishing one, because it was like our class acted as like a publishing room for like that whole semester. So we were just like we got our task. We just have to write, produce, do this entire magazine in one semester, which is a lot, because usually people are doing like quarterly or like only I don’t know every six months producing a magazine or publishing a magazine. So it’s like we are only had a couple months to do that.

Ryan Freng: 

So that was really cool. I love ideas, the idea of something like that, where it’s more entrepreneurial, kind of creative problem solving yeah, because I feel like marketing and production and a lot of things more and more are just apprenticeship, and when you can do that more in school then it’s much more valuable kind of in my thought, like I got in my opinion.

Ryan Freng: 

I got a radio, film and television degree, um, but I still, you know, I kind of recommend like, hey, maybe just try working in the industry, uh, for a little bit. You know, some people like school, um, you know, obviously you just graduated and you’re still in the thick of it, so, um, I want to acknowledge the value in that Um, but you know, given a choice in you know another situation, it’s like would you change how you did it? No Cause, obviously we’re here now because of the choices that we’ve made. So I wouldn’t want to do that. However, in another universe, I might not do that. I might just go and start working and stuff and be four years ahead of where I could have been a lot less in debt you know, and especially.

Ryan Freng: 

I mean if you can pay for school. I don’t know if you guys were able to do that and work like that can be really great Like my wife more or less paid for school for her missus degree. Bam, there you go, she has a. She has a theology degree and she was never into teaching um, she was more of a researcher, in fact, and pretty great at that. But um worked a couple years and then started raising our family, right. So really great liberal arts degree and real great liberal arts experience, but not anything that she’s using, you know. So that’s a consideration. So now that we’re two years in and, yeah, you’re actually finishing in like a year and a half or one and a half- years, one and a half years.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, I’m finishing a semester early yeah, what, um, what does all this mean to you? You know, like, are you, do you, are you getting I’m assuming you’re getting value out of school? You know, yeah, um, what, uh, what’s the value that that you’re getting getting?

Maria Pfeil: 

um, I agree with you on the like hands-on experience stuff. I’m like big and just like I want to be thrown into something and that’s how I want to learn it. Um, there’s a few like classes that I’ve taken that are like that. So for my recording art certificate next semester I’m doing like an internship at the Pablo Center, which is like our Overture Center in Eau Claire, so it’s like a little bit smaller but still like really nice, pretty new, and it’s like you get to go in and help an on-campus band create an EP like record it, like edit nice, pretty new, and it’s like you get to go in and help an on-campus band create an EP like record it, like edit it, put it together all that. So I’m really excited for that.

Maria Pfeil: 

Um, I get to work with a partner, so it’s not like just me doing all of it, um, but that will be like a really good hands-on experience that I’m excited for. Um. My internship that I’m doing with the athletic department is also like counted as a class, so I get it’s pretty sweet, I get paid for it, I get to go to like a bunch of home games and like do social media and it also counts as credits, so like that’s huge for me, um, and I’ve been really enjoying that too. We started a TikTok channel, um, which just like the interns run it and that’s been like super fun, just like getting a bunch of followers and, you know, going to practices, doing mic’d ups, like really fun videos like that so then, like class-wise, yeah, um, what do you have, like, what do you have left and what have you experienced?

Ryan Freng: 

that was very valuable.

Maria Pfeil: 

Probably the most valuable class that I’ve taken was this one called HR development, and it was human resources, yeah.

Ryan Freng: 

OK.

Maria Pfeil: 

So yeah, my degree is technically organizational communication, so it’s like the communication that happens when, like within an organization and between organizations. So it can go a lot of different ways, like it can go marketing, but it can also go human resource or I don’t know any agency like PR stuff.

Maria Pfeil: 

So it’s very broad. But yeah, so I was taking a human resource class and it was a semester long group project where we planned a like training for a different organization. So like the one that my group chose to do was work life balance. So we were able to like put together a training program and then train this other club on campus and how to have like a healthy work life balance this other club on campus and how to have like a healthy work-life balance, and it was like a really good experience for just like not only like learning about work-life balance, which is helpful, but also being able to like run the event and like make people like feel like they could participate in the event and like make it a good environment for that. So it was like we were learning, but we were also teaching, which helped us learn even more. So that was probably like a really helpful class yeah, no, that that’s awesome.

Ryan Freng: 

What do you have coming up?

Maria Pfeil: 

coming up. Um, let’s see, I have some capstones, uh, and I’m studying abroad in uruguay oh, that’s right.

Ryan Freng: 

Next year. Oh wow, I’m studying next year Uruguay.

Maria Pfeil: 

Yeah, so I have to learn Spanish.

Maria Pfeil: 

I’m planning on just kind of picking it up while I’m there and like learning it there.

Ryan Freng: 

Did you take any Spanish, like in high school?

Maria Pfeil: 

I took it for like two years in middle school, but just like very, very brief. I went to Peru last winter and that kind of made me want to learn it even more, because I was like in a place where I was just using Google translate and my phone so much.

Ryan Freng: 

You should. You should look into Duolingo. I’ve been rocking Duolingo for like two months or three months now and again, like I feel like I’m getting to a really good place, actually Japanese.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Oh.

Ryan Freng: 

I’m getting into a really good place where I can like listen to it and I don’t have to process it that much Like it’s just kind of like understanding, quick understanding, but largely through that app, you know, and you can do it for free too. So plug. Hashtag sponsored.

Maria Pfeil: 

I’ve done a little do lingo, but I just feel like the best way like for me to like learn something is just to be thrown into it.

Ryan Freng: 

So I’m just gonna like, you know. I mean, you should probably prep a little before you.

Maria Pfeil: 

I know, I know, yeah, there’s this app, um it’s called say hi, that I use a little bit, and it’s like you talk into it and then it just automatically translate whatever you say, oh sure, into Spanish, and you just like show it to them, or like make your phone um just say it, so like that’s super nice.

Ryan Freng: 

The Apple translate has that too, and I use that when I was in Germany. The funny thing too. Like I took four years of Spanish, and when I was in Germany and I couldn’t communicate with somebody, my brain would go to Spanish, like I was like English won’t work, uh, uh.

Maria Pfeil: 

and then I’d be like, uh, classic yeah, that’s, that’s me, but unfortunately or fortunately, it’s latin, because that’s what we learned at san andrews oh yeah, it’s like no one.

Ryan Freng: 

No one speaks that so there’s, I mean, I feel like you might have a chance with some spanish, with Latin, since it’s the root of those romance languages.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Right, yeah Right. It’s similar, but it’s definitely not going to get me.

Ryan Freng: 

We had friends in college One was from Puerto Rico and one was Italian, and they both didn’t have the best English. They were pretty good at English, but it was their second or third language and then, when they couldn’t communicate with people, they would go into their native languages, so Spanish and then Italian, and somehow they would communicate across Spanish and Italian Because I took three semesters of French and that is very similar to Spanish, because I took Spanish in high school.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So it’s like when I could, like you were saying like when I couldn’t communicate in French, my Spanish would come out oh really, and they would just like get all mingled because my brain was like can’t compute.

Ryan Freng: 

But they’re more similar than English Right, so Than a. Germanic language right. Yeah, so the form would be the same, since they’re romance languages.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

And then yeah, the French is just more douchey, I guess. Lots of extra unneeded letters.

Ryan Freng: 

It’s like you could have an eight letter word and it would be like or like something you’re like yes, yeah, one of my kids is like dad, you know what? What was it tsunami, dad, you know what tsunami is in french, tsunami? Like well, yeah, that’s not the french. Like it’s not a french word, it’s a japanese word. I’m like no, but that’s the french version.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Like no, it’s just it’s just a japanese word that the french use, and so you use it.

Ryan Freng: 

In the original I was like I don’t think you and he’s eight.

Ryan Freng: 

I don’t think you understand how languages work yeah, he got mad all right, fine, it’s the french version you’re right yeah, it’s those fun things, um with language that I really appreciate, and I feel like learning languages helps me think in a different way, like when you’re structuring things differently, and then you kind of have a sense of why do we say this colloquial thing in the way that we do and what does that mean. And then you start to think a little bit more about that. Like I can’t think of a, for instance, with japanese um playing footsie under the table.

Ryan Freng: 

She’s, like you know, jonathan roomie watch out patrick no um, yeah, I can’t think of a, can’t think of an item there. So, um, we usually wrap up by about 4, 30. Um, there’s a game we play. I I still kind of want to go through a couple more questions, because we’ve only been live for maybe like 40, 40 minutes or something like that. Um, what are you guys like most excited for kind of in this field, in whatever you know, whatever that means, whether it’s marketing or communications or production or anything you know what kind of excites you right now? I’m like getting a pulse, like Like what are what are people excited about? I mean for and you guys can think, for instance, ai is really interesting, it’s burgeoning, and it’s burgeoning as your careers are starting. Yeah, I went to an AI thing yesterday and there was two things that were kind of the big takeaways. One was the idea that AI of the big takeaways.

Ryan Freng: 

One was the idea that AI another acronym for it, or another explanation of the acronym could be army of interns, so the idea that AI can take away like just a massive amount of work on a project at a certain level, and some of the examples were like data processing or, um, just understanding data is kind of what it was processing data. The other thing was, um, let’s see army of interns, oh, human in the loop. So with any type of automation cause I asked the question like what are people doing with automation and what are their concerns? So you have a car that drives for you or whatever, or, um, something that controls the temperature and it’s automated by ai. Well, we know ai hallucinates, sometimes it has issue and does crazy stuff, or it’s it’s gemini from google and they make it uber woke and the founding fathers are, all you know, different ethnicities when you try to get an image or whatever.

Ryan Freng: 

But they have this idea of human in the loop where you have this automation and so the robots do their work and then present some choice and then a human makes a choice or confirms their assertion or whatever. So the instance was Google data centers. They have AI figuring out power, draw heat and all that stuff and managing that and changing temperature for cooling, but it only recommends it to a human and then the human approves it and makes the change to the system. So robots don’t ruin a multi-billion, multi you know, I guess trillion dollar industry with some kind of you know ai glitch, so excited about ai. Those are two things that I’ve heard about recently. Did you have time to think about things you’re excited?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

yeah, yeah, I think. Well, this is getting more and more popular. I would just say podcasting in general I love, I’m obsessed with podcasts. I feel like I’m always listening to podcasts, so favorite podcasts. Well, they’re all like Catholic. But I love um finds the client is um, ask Christopher West is great. Um, what else do I listen to? Oh, um, abiding together with sister Miriam and them. They are lovely Um, daily nothings Like, they’re all just like such. I love just getting people together and chatting and telling stories and going deep.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I feel like no one goes deep anymore. You know, like all these conversations are just like so surface level, like when you’re just out talking to people, and so I feel like this just invites deeper conversations.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

People get more used to like learning how to talk longer than just a couple minutes you know, than a tweet yeah, or like more than just a snapchat, like actually have a deep conversation, and I feel like I’ve been talking to so many people lately who are like just struggling with friendships and things like that and like, yeah, I’m just realizing like these aren’t that deep of friendships that I thought you know, especially as we graduate and like people are going everywhere, you start realizing like, oh, I guess I’m not as close to you as I thought I was, you know, because proximity and just you’re doing the same things together, so you’re friends.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

But then you go out. Are we still friends?

Ryan Freng: 

so just like well, and when you’re around each other, you probably have a lot more practical community and interaction versus in your way.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

And then these broken forms of social communication that suck like that does not suffice yeah, yeah, but if you have that deep rooted friendship and you’re having those deep conversations, like those friendships last, and I have friends who are in totally different states and we still talk all the time and it’s great, you know, like yeah, how do you do that?

Ryan Freng: 

do you? Are you chatting on the phone?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

marco polo is amazing. Oh my god, I love marco, so you’re sending somebody like a half an hour. Just listen to this half an hour yeah, I sent so many long ones that they started calling them like my alexis podcast. They’re like so love the alexis podcast today.

Ryan Freng: 

Um explain it. Explain it to me, because I know john and I are like old fogies and, uh, we don’t get it. His wife does it with a lot of people. My wife does not do it because she does not have patience for that. Um, but like, I will leave a message on somebody’s phone like, hey, I was just wondering if you had this thing and I can have it. Give me call back, let me know. You know, I’ll probably also text that message. That’s like the extent of my phone messages, marco polo is like a monologue.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, right and like what?

Ryan Freng: 

how does that work? Like monologuing at a friend or like like talk me through this well, okay, I I attribute my relationship to marco polo.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I’m just kidding. But like patrick and I were, we had a lot of periods that were distant, um, and we were doing like long distance dating, like a lot of summers, a lot of long breaks, um, all of that. So we had to figure out a way to communicate. But our schedules were so busy, or like our work schedules. I was at working at camp one summer so I had like zero free time, so all I could do was, like the time I had was like midnight every night as I was editing camp photos, and he was in bed cause he had a. His job was like 6am. So we could, we just couldn’t call. We kept missing each other.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

And like texting, you know it works, but it’s not the same. So, um, like ideally, I would say, if you’re like long distance with someone, facetime is the way to go, because it’s like that live communication, um. But second best would be, marco polo, because you’re still seeing their face and their expressions and hearing their voice and all of that, and even though it’s not live like you can still watch them talk and process emotions and you know whatever. So and then you can respond to it, so it’s kind of fun.

Ryan Freng: 

Like long is a typical Marco Polo.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It depends on the person. Like some of my friends don’t like the long ones, so they just are like, hey, how was your day?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I did this today Bye, so I kind of mash the speed, but I have friends who sent me 30-minute long ones and I listen to them in the car like a podcast and I’m just driving home from work and then usually I feel like on average they’re like 5-10 minutes, just like update. Here’s what’s going on in my life, here’s how my day was, how was yours? And then you’re also like I think the tricky thing is not live responding. Right Because there’s like, oh wait, that’s good. And then it’s like, okay, table that.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Remember what they said about that and then they keep going and talk about something else and you’re like, oh okay, I need to respond to that. But I feel like it’s helped me just conversationally in general, Just because some people can talk and go all over the place.

Ryan Freng: 

And then I feel like I’ve gotten better at backtracking and be like, oh, let’s go back to this point that you said, yeah, kind of holding that all in your mind.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So it’s interesting responding to friends who send like a 30 minute long one, because then you’re like, okay, let’s talk about this thing and then this thing you know, like, so you’re just going through and responding to all the things and then it’s kind of fun because you’re able to sort out like you can still get their personality and the fun little things like little distractions, you know but you don’t need to respond to those, yeah, um, so I’m just like, and obviously, what you respond to, I guess obviously there’s it’s effective somehow, because I know a lot of people who use it and use it to to length.

Ryan Freng: 

So it’s probably one of those things where, like I, I’m interested in trying it, but like yeah, but it, but since it’s not ingrained, like I mean, a lot of the moms in their community, in the community I think, do some of that too. What about you? Do you do marco polo?

Maria Pfeil: 

no, my mom does a little. But no, I don’t like facetime or phone calls, I’m just a texter. I just like texting.

Ryan Freng: 

That’s my thing are you uh, and I’ll come back to you in a second. Would you consider yourself an extrovert or an introvert?

Maria Pfeil: 

I’m an introvert. Yeah, I don’t know. I feel like that’s pretty obvious.

Ryan Freng: 

If you met me how do you like to recharge?

Maria Pfeil: 

um, it depends on, like, I guess, what season like in summer I like now I’ve been reading a lot of books, running. Um, I definitely love sports as a huge thing for me, so just like being active, hanging out with friends, the normal things.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, cause the question it’s kind of a leading question, cause there’s this idea with extroverts and introverts. With the extroverts, they want to be out with people to recharge. That’s how they recharge my wife. When I come home, she’s like I’ve been with crazy people all day. I need to talk to you as a human person or as a cognizant adult, whereas I’m like I’m done, I’m done with interactions with people. I need to go read or go do something physical.

Maria Pfeil: 

Yeah, just be by myself yeah, I agree with the being by myself to recharge, but also I feel like there’s select people where it’s like if I’m like one-on-one with someone that I’m like really close to, then that’s like recharging like probably even more than being alone I feel like, as an introvert too, I can respond to that, or I can.

Ryan Freng: 

That resonates with me playing footsie over here. It’s not a very deep desk. I just keep my foot out for these awkward moments. Um I that resonates with me and like my best friendships are like those where, like we don’t have to talk yeah you just sit there. It’s like anti marco polo, like my best friends. Maybe I’ll do that. I’ll do marco polo where I just don’t talk, turn it on. Yeah, no pressure friendship. Yeah, yeah, I think that’s what I do. Um, so then text primarily yeah, just a text.

Maria Pfeil: 

Yeah, like your friends in college, just you’re just texting with them.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, I think that’s what I would do. So then text primarily yeah, just a text. Yeah, like your friends in college, you’re just texting with them.

Maria Pfeil: 

Yeah, just checking in.

Ryan Freng: 

I don’t think I even do that Okay.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Just don’t communicate.

Ryan Freng: 

I just don’t communicate. I do enjoy talking on the phone. Sometimes the problem I have is like just blocking time and then when somebody calls, like, okay, do I have five to thirty minutes to talk to this person. There’s very few people that I will always answer the phone for. Like I’ll answer the phone for. I’ll answer the phone for any of you guys, um, because I know you’re not going to talk my ear off for like half an hour, but like John or Scott, just because we’ve had this relationship for forever and like, oh, it might be a long conversation, but you know it’ll be good.

Ryan Freng: 

Um, or my wife, or like Carolyn, or a buddy, paul, or maybe some siblings or something like that. You know like very select people where it’s not work to communicate, like I don’t know if you guys feel this way, but I feel like sometimes some relationships seem performative like, especially if they know you from something like I feel like people know me from galas or videos or things like that, and then they I don’t know come into it with a perception and I’m like, well, I’m kind of a lot more lame than those other things.

Ryan Freng: 

So I feel, you know, it’s like the imposter thing, like I feel like I have to be more exciting than I actually am, and then that’s socially draining, yeah, so then I need to like not be around people or whatnot. So the anti Marco Polo, that’s so funny. Yeah, love it, I thrive on it. I feel like maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll do like a long marco polo and like send my wife like in one hour.

Ryan Freng: 

You know, the funny thing is, though I I am doing like a series on tiktok. It’s kind of like connected to the fitness stuff that I do, but it’s just like a daily update when I’m driving, and it’s just like five to ten minutes, like hey, here’s what’s going on, um, which is kind of like the Marco Polo thing, but it’s not directed at any one person, which is weird or interesting. So I guess I can kind of understand that um, because I’m like wait, you’re just like talking at somebody and they’re not interacting. Like obviously it works and there’s something interesting to it. So maybe I’ll like watch some videos about how people do it like that’s how old I am.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, I’ll check out the youtubes um.

Ryan Freng: 

Can you hit? You know what time it is luke. Can you hit that?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

hit the special you know what time it is there.

Ryan Freng: 

There it is. Is it happening? You guys have seen this. I’m sure I gotta think of new ones. It’s time for Two Truths and a Lie. That’s a cool one for my kids. I should have prepped. And I feel like I always use the same ones.

Ryan Freng: 

The lack of prepping is great. Alright, so you guys have maybe 30 seconds to come up with your answers while I vamp real quick. We’re going to play Two Truths and a Lie. This is the game where Alexis and Maria will tell us three things about themselves and we have to guess what the lie is. And you know, you can play. You can give one small detail that makes it a lie, or the whole thing could be a lie If it’s somebody else’s story that you’ve heard and you can tell it. Really well, that’s a great way to do it too. Um, those are some tips to trick us, to trick the audience, whoever’s, whoever’s out there. I don’t know if you have any chat. Can you flip over to the chat? I’m just vamping while they’re. Uh, john was yeah questions john yeah, questions philip rivers.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Oh, he’s like you, idiot philip rivers he’s like why don’t you remember anything?

Ryan Freng: 

it’s not built that way. Um you guys ready, okay, you’re not it’s always easy to think of lies in my opinion.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

But then thinking of the truths is.

Ryan Freng: 

Would you like to write yeah?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

That’d be great. There goes my mic. Oh no, okay, there you go.

Ryan Freng: 

Oh, I’m going to have this pen, yeah, two truths and a lie.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Am I still good? Yep Sweet, oh yeah. Um. Two truths and a lie. Am I still good?

Ryan Freng: 

oh yeah here’s some more of that eos stuff. So good, I love this. Eos is like a chapstick, is it?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

no, I feel like I should get some now.

Ryan Freng: 

It’s pretty good, it used to be popular if my friend tabs is watching, this is traction. One of the books I was talking about. This is deep work. The other book I like to recommend these oh, and this is getting things done, the art of stress-free productivity. Um, I’m not sponsored by any of these things but you’re gonna be writing these.

Ryan Freng: 

Yet I have read, let’s see, at least half of this one. Um, I had a problem where I buy books and then after I get bored, you know, halfway through I’d stop. But now I’m just trying to go back through all the books and make sure that I can get through them.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I’m trying to think You’re like this is a lie. I just can’t think when people are talking. This is difficult.

Ryan Freng: 

It’s great. It’s great. They appreciate the ad hoc nature of this. This is real. This is live TV. Guys, this is like journalism. Let’s see, I really want to get a drink. I well, I was like I don’t want to be awkward and ask you to do it, um, but that would be great. If you don’t mind, can you give me the green apple, one brought to you by zoa? Yeah, that’s my favorite is that caffeinated 100.

Ryan Freng: 

Oh okay, so you’re just like, yeah, jazzed all the time drinking those well, I told scott, so scott loves the purple ones, and he was getting a little little schwifty with them and I was like, hey, I just want to warn you. That’s like 180 milligrams of caffeine, which is like two cups of coffee. And he’s like, oh, that makes sense yeah, he’s like, that makes sense why I feel my heart. Um, I love the zoa, though I only got like five hours of sleep last night. Because did you?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

hear that storm last night was that?

Ryan Freng: 

I don’t know if I heard it last night no, I know, this morning, yeah, this morning I was awake um, but last night we were working on Monica’s brand for her cookie company, so I was taking her through a little oh cookie company.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Sorry, I just registered that. Taking her through like a brand exercise with our friend Carolyn and Molly.

Ryan Freng: 

Oh yeah, I feel like very pasty on this camera, but it’s apparently just my winter body, I guess, and I’m wearing blue. I’m very matchy matchy today. I’m going to an event later for um a home, a new home birth collective oh, where’s that? Uh at mercy coffee really which is in the old.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

That’s cool.

Ryan Freng: 

What was that? No, not Colectivo. The place right over here.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

But anyway, mercy Coffee, yeah, or Grace’s Coffee.

Ryan Freng: 

The person who used to be Grace’s Coffee.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Oh, interesting.

Ryan Freng: 

Yep, that’s all I can say. Uh, so it’s a home birth thing. So I wore my yo mama shirt, which is pretty awesome. How we get, how we doing. Is that an ap? Are you reporting?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

ap style over here. How are those?

Ryan Freng: 

no, oh yeah, so we were branding last night and we’re up until like 11, 30, and then I get up about 5 why am I blanking to train um?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

oh no no pressure what’s the worst that could happen? Well, I don’t want to. It has to be. It has to be true. What’s the worst that could happen? Well, I don’t want to.

Ryan Freng: 

We’ll take questions from the audience has to be um has to be true.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I don’t want to say the wrong thing, you know.

Ryan Freng: 

Then it’s two lies so I want to you know who was it? I think uh, brent, um, um, a paradigm. Next is last name man. I’m losing all the things because I didn’t get sleep last night. You gotta get your sleep.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

That’s what you young folk need to realize yeah, what are you doing for eight hours or uh? Seven and a half okay, yeah, is that sweet so far seven and a half is pretty good.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, eight or nine is great. But, like after eight, I just wake up and I just lay there. So, yeah, your brain needs it, needs it, your body needs it. That’s the thing with, like fitness and health. People like to get into like, hmm, broccoli has this in it and it’s breaking down your DNA, and like, okay, maybe in this, like uh, petri dish test or whatever, but not not in your body, like you know you need to do. You probably just need to sleep, like sleep, eat well and exercise. It’s not hard. All right, I know what you need to do.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

You probably just need to sleep.

Ryan Freng: 

Sleep, eat well and exercise. It’s not hard. All right, I’m ready. Are you ready? Yes, who wants to go first? Any, any, any?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

go Do? I just say all three.

Ryan Freng: 

You’ll say all three and I’m going to write them down so I know what’s going on.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Am I guessing two?

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah.

Maria Pfeil: 

Okay, all right, number one. Number one I’ve gotten kicked out of Costco three times in my life. Whoa, I’ll wait for it.

Ryan Freng: 

Yep Got it.

Maria Pfeil: 

All right. Number two I had a 50% chance of being disabled.

Ryan Freng: 

Whoa.

Maria Pfeil: 

Mm-hmm. And number three I’m going on a pilgrimage to medjugorje at the beginning of august.

Ryan Freng: 

I wasn’t looking at you during any of these. Okay, so let me. Let me process this, and then anyone at home can also guess um. So number one you kicked out of of Costco three times in your life, I mean so far.

Maria Pfeil: 

So far.

Ryan Freng: 

You’re going again tomorrow, yeah get ready, make it a fourth 50% chance of being disabled, I’m guessing, when your mom was pregnant with you, or something like that. What’s the feedback?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

The feedback.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, that’s correct Very little feedback and then a pilgrimage to madrigoria and madrigori. Was it madrigori or madrigori?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

no, I’ve heard both. Okay, but we’ll find out when I’m there lean into it in august.

Ryan Freng: 

Yep, um. So first blush it feels like that’s the lie, because you’re going to Uruguay, but maybe you’re doing a pilgrimage. And then they kicked out of Costco three times. Maybe it’s two times. That could be the lie. It’d be weird for you to lie about potentially being disabled.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It could have been a different chance.

Ryan Freng: 

I’m going to say it’s true, there’s a 100% chance.

Maria Pfeil: 

You will never know.

Ryan Freng: 

And we’re canceled. So let’s see pilgrimage, pilgrimage. I haven’t heard anything about the pilgrimage, or did you tell us about it? Did I not pay attention?

Maria Pfeil: 

see, this is a test of your listening abilities.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, because, let’s see, did you?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

after you see your answer, I’m going to say mine okay, I’ll go first. I think she’s good Luke do you have a guess? I think it’s the 50% chance of disabled at birth. That’s bold, I’d put it higher.

Ryan Freng: 

You lied, it was actually 75%. Yeah, I want to say the Pilgrimage, but I’m going to say kicked out of Costco three times. So I think it was four.

Maria Pfeil: 

Okay, it is pilgrimage, because she’s going in July for two weeks, correct? Oh, okay, she’s locked in. She’s a good listener, no that makes more sense.

Ryan Freng: 

Cause I was like. I think you told us about when you were not going to be around. I was like I don’t know what that was. Could be honest, that was a good lie that was a good lie, because it’s like partly true so how did you get kicked out of Costco three times?

Maria Pfeil: 

yeah, um, so if you’re under the age of 18 and going to Costco by yourself, that’s a problem. What really? That’s how I get kicked out one time. Another time it was because I was using my dad’s or my mom’s costco card. They don’t like that. Yeah, it’s so dumb. So I think, yeah, the combination of those two things has gotten me kicked out a few times.

Ryan Freng: 

That makes sense. Yeah, I think luke’s gotten kicked out before with this, with my card or something it’s so interesting, I didn’t know they’re so strict. Sometimes they are, but sometimes you can get through like just depends I mean you have to have one to check out and the annoying checkers will like look at the photo. Yeah, the non-annoying checkers will just scan it um 50 chance of being disabled, do your? Is there like some genetic thing your parents have?

Maria Pfeil: 

No, I had a stroke at birth.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, wow.

Maria Pfeil: 

So it was like there was a chance that I would just like wouldn’t be able to develop normally.

Ryan Freng: 

Whoa. That was probably the best time to have one, though, yep, for your brain plasticity to just basically heal and not be majorly affected yeah, so like part of my brain doesn’t work, but it’s okay because we just found new passages.

Maria Pfeil: 

That’s basically what happened.

Ryan Freng: 

That’s crazy yeah, that’s also probably why you don’t turn left ever right yeah, it’s the left side it was.

Ryan Freng: 

I was just joking, that’s funny actually. Actually, the other day I was like, am I having a stroke? It was not a stroke, I did not go to the doctor, but I was working out and doing some moves and I think what happened is I was holding my neck in a certain way and I was doing a move and I just got lightheaded and occasionally I’ll see stars, depending on how I do it and I got up and I was like, oh, my head feels weird and I was like I’m seeing stars and I was like I can’t see on the right side of my right eye, like right here and there’s a lot of things going on. But then afterwards I showed Monica a clip of it and then did some research. I was like I’m pretty sure I just like um didn’t have enough oxygen, like I wasn’t breathing and the way that I was doing the move and holding my neck and pushing was not was really stupid.

Ryan Freng: 

She’s like you were talking. Fine, You’re moving, fine, you know just the, just the stars. So you and me both All right.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

All right, hopefully this is more convincing than the last time I did this. Okay, so number one when I was a child, around the age of six lie Sorry. I was a cute child. No, I didn to think about it. Anyway, when I was six, my family had me featured in a magazine ad for a local car dealership commercial. Well, magazine ad, not commercial.

Ryan Freng: 

It’s so awkward.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It’s probably true um, and then I’ve had glasses since I was in first grade, a long time and then so I got engaged a year ago, as people know, and, um, we patrick proposed it at devil’s Lake and the whole time I like the whole time I was anticipating it, so like going into it. I was like this is happening, but then he wasn’t doing it for a very long time and we went paddle boarding and I was like, is he bringing it out on the paddle board? And he didn’t do that and I was like starting to get annoyed. Sorry, this is a long story, but eventually we were hiking Also bring, and he didn’t do that and I was like starting to get annoyed. Um, sorry, this is a long story, but eventually we’re also bringing on the paddleboard.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Be like but he didn’t, like he didn’t have a bag with him like we. It was like he had we packed a picnic, um. But I was like is it with the food? Like if he’s proposing today, like where is the ring? You know so, and he was obviously in swim tr, so it wasn’t in his pocket. So I was like trying to figure this out and then he kept asking me like where do you want to go? Like you know all of that, and I was like this bro doesn’t have a plan, like what’s going on? So I was getting really mad.

Ryan Freng: 

Oh my gosh, I love it if he’s listening.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

he’s like she’s sharing this story anyway, um. So we’re hiking, we get up here, we do a picnic, um, and and he’s still not doing it. I was just like, come on, man, like it’s not happening today. So then I started getting really mad, um, because he like totally psyched me out, you know, um, but the crazy thing is this is the kicker of the story is when he asked me well, okay, this is how it goes.

Ryan Freng: 

Sounds like a lie.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

We were having our picnic, I was. We were like on this random rock sitting there and I was getting chilly so I was like do you have a sweatshirt?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

And he was like yes, it’s in the bag, you can grab it. And I was like okay. So then I grabbed the sweatshirt and the sweatshirt was at the bottom of the backpack and I pulled it out and, um, the ring was in the pocket of the sweatshirt and I felt it and it was like, but I, I, but I didn’t know if that’s what it was and was it like in a case or was it just sitting in?

Ryan Freng: 

it was in a box like I felt a box, okay, and I was like is this it?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I don’t know. But then he like so. Then I like took the sweatshirt out, um and yeah, and I had it on my lap because my legs are cold, um. But then I got really scared because I was like I don’t want to ruin the surprise for him. So, anyway, the this the story. Eventually he did propose and all that, and it was in the sweatshirt, um and yeah, but that was after we packed up and then he got over there.

Ryan Freng: 

But I just like can’t imagine his fear anyway um, this is a good like lesson in expectation and uncommunicated expectation, and how frustrating, uh, it can be the point of the story when you get married. I felt the box before he so that that’s like the actual, the tagline number three or whatever, yeah I feel like I’ve heard that and I feel like that I mean there could be a lie in there.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I there was a lot of potential. I feel like I recall that story.

Ryan Freng: 

So that sounds legit. Like it was like in the bag or on top of it or underneath it or something. Maybe I don’t remember it in the pocket. Maybe that’s the lie, maybe, all right, I’m gonna say number three it was in the pocket. That’s. That’s what I think the lie is.

Maria Pfeil: 

I think that the lie is the glasses since first grade, because that’s just like a detail that could easily have been second grade or kindergarten that’s true, she she doesn’t have glasses.

Ryan Freng: 

No, it could just be a whole lie, I just feel like you’re wearing contacts all right, you got a guess, luke, you’re a recap number one. Uh, when she was six she was, her family featured her in a car magazine commercial car dealership magazine ad a little different a little.

Ryan Freng: 

You’re not like laying on a mustang. No, uh, two glasses since first grade and number three, uh, but then she felt the ring in the pocket. Yeah, I’m pretty sure the ring was in the pocket. I feel like that’s. I mean, I don’t know patrick that well, but I feel like that’s a detail that would be hard to overlook. Something with I’m thinking about that. You did not get the box.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, okay, so is it time. The lie is the ad. Oh Wow, I was not. I was in a tractor ad, not a car dealership.

Ryan Freng: 

Oh yeah, there you go, I actually don’t know if I was six.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I might have been younger, but the whole thing is a lie.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, the whole thing, that was a good lie.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I do. I have contacts right now, but I’ve had glasses since first grade and you did feel it in your pocket.

Ryan Freng: 

I did feel it in my pocket Because I remember like I remember hearing the story of you pulling it out and I couldn’t remember like, wait, was it underneath, was it on top? Like there was some awkwardness, it I was like it might be the box, and then I put on my lap and then I was scared.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So I like quickly put it back. I like I I don’t know if I actually talked to him about this, about like the uncommunicated expectations, like I don’t know if he I think he knew that I felt it, maybe, or like he knew that it was.

Ryan Freng: 

Did he know how mad you were like for the most of the day?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

he knows I was because, well, after, even after I put the sweatshirt back, he still was like not doing anything. And I was like, oh my gosh. And he was like just talking and I was like really prodding, asking about the future, and I was like, so what are you thinking like about where?

Ryan Freng: 

you’re going. It’s like trying to push a camel.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

He was giving me nothing and I was like, and I was like, okay, jesus, like I’m fine, I’ll be patient. If it doesn’t happen today, it’s fine. And then, and then it happened like five minutes later.

Ryan Freng: 

So like, if it doesn’t happen today, I’ll be fine yeah, but if you want it to happen, it’s okay, jesus yeah, for real.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

So anyway, that’s just a funny little story.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah, the frustrating nature of uncommunicated expectations, Just you know. Just something to think about in your marriage. Yeah, you know.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It’s real.

Ryan Freng: 

Like there’s a book, too, that I never read, but John’s mentioned it before. Whose quirk is it? Anyway, I have all these little things like putting the toilet paper roll so that it comes down off the top instead of the bottom. Yeah, you converted me to that I feel like I created an argument in your house.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, I don’t understand why anyone would do it under yeah, well, cause then you’re like a fricking explorer. Like where is it?

Ryan Freng: 

You’re like a freaking explorer, like where is it, I don’t know Exactly, and on the microwave like hitting, cancel, like, instead of people just leaving, like three seconds, leaving the number.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah, yeah.

Ryan Freng: 

Like for one. It kills me that you’re putting something into the microwave consistently for the wrong amount of time and you can’t wait three seconds and you’re like nope done, take it out, someone else can deal with this number.

Maria Pfeil: 

No, I think it might be worse than you.

Ryan Freng: 

Oh my gosh.

Maria Pfeil: 

Because I set the time but then I open it a few seconds before so that it doesn’t make the annoying beeping sound, but then I also clear it.

Ryan Freng: 

Okay, I’m 100% okay with that. Yeah, I do that too. I’m okay with as long as you clear it like you can take it out Like, but it’s like the expectation of like. Someone else can deal with this.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Yeah.

Ryan Freng: 

So there’s a book. It’s like who’s quirk is it anyway? Like is it everybody else’s problem? That does that Probably not.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It’s probably my problem, but I get annoyed by that Right.

Ryan Freng: 

So uncommunicated expectations. Whose problem is it anyway?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

Something to think about.

Ryan Freng: 

That’s the wisdom of the day. Maybe I’ll figure that out sometime too. All right, we’re gonna wrap up here. Um, is there anything else you want to leave us with or that we didn’t talk about, or just something exciting you want to share? Often we have people plug things. I don’t know if you guys have anything to plug, um, check out my youtube channel.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

I’m just kidding. I don’t know if you guys uh have anything to plug. Um, check out my YouTube channel. I’m just kidding, I don’t have it Hit the bell. I’ll subscribe. Check me on my Instagram Lex Marine. But seriously two to zero.

Ryan Freng: 

Do you have anything?

Maria Pfeil: 

I have no plugs. No plugs, I feel like we covered everything that there is to cover ever.

Ryan Freng: 

Ever. Don’t worry, we got a lot more. Thanks for coming on, guys. Thanks for hanging out. Just having the most random of conversations Like this is enjoyable.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

It’s not Marco Polo but I hope it’s enjoyable for you as well. Real conversations is ideal.

Ryan Freng: 

Yeah.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

You know that Marco Polo is just a third best.

Ryan Freng: 

What’s second best? Facetime, oh, okay, yeah, all right.

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

What’s fourth best? Uh all right?

Ryan Freng: 

Well, thanks for tuning in. Um, what else, I don’t know. Do we have any? We don’t have anybody scheduled soon. If you want to be on the podcast, let us know. Yeah, you want to pitch?

Alexis Gosenheimer: 

yeah, send me an email, reach out if you want to be here in this chair interesting topics yeah or that chair for that one, yeah, that one.

Ryan Freng: 

Well, thanks for joining us. Uh, we’ll be back soon. Alexis is working hard getting connected to. We kind of have a big list of people like these would be really interesting people to talk about, whether they are in production or marketing, or scientists or just doing interesting things and interesting industries. We want to learn more, we want to do better, um, while drinking some favorite libations, in this case from duane the rock. Johnson, thanks for hanging. That’s what we got. We’ll see you next time. Bye.

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